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Spanish-Speaking Principal Policy Heads For Overhaul

Allen Gwinn  2006-10-12 15:09     

Carla Ranger, this afternoon, presented her proposal to eliminate the Spanish-speaking requirement for employment as a principal in DISD.

"Does it (the Spanish-speaking principal policy) need to be tweaked? Probably," said Jerome Garza. But Garza cautioned against throwing it out.

Ron Price one of the senior administrators needs to speak Spanish but not necessarily the principal. "That's not going to help one kid learn their A-B-C's better."

Nancy Bingham echoed Price's sentiments. "We have schools where over 50% of the students don't speak (English)."

Bingham offered an amendment that would compromise by requiring the principal, assistant principal, Dean or other senior administrator speak Spanish.

Leigh Ann Ellis agreed as did Edwin Flores.

When the conversation got back around to Ranger, she reminded the Board that the original intent of the policy was to increase "parental involvement."

Ranger asked the staff to prepare a report on the impact of Spanish-speaking principals with respect to parental involvement.

Superintendent Michael Hinojosa pointed out there were no metrics to measure parental involvement. "(Parental Involvement) might mean different things to different people."

Ranger pointed out, that being the case, the difficulty of measuring the success of the program in the first place.

Spanish as a Second Language?
Bobz  2007-02-06 18:17   

This is not the first rodeo for DISD and Spanish.It was mandated in the late 1950's,when I was in elementary school and we had no Hispanic population to speak of.

It lasted for two years and then went the way of other ideas they tried. As a taxpayer,I am convinced that Hispanics need to be able to read, write and speak English.

If we want to live in Mexico,then we can learn Spanish!

If high school students want to take Spanish or French or German, that is their choice.

Mandating employees to speak a second language when it was not a job requirement when they were hired is unfair.

If there are schools that require administrators and/or teachers to speak Spanish, then hire them for those special cases, but not as an added cost to the taxpayer. Sales tax doesn't fund the district.

If we want these children in the district to succeed,we must mainstream them along with the other children in the "melting pot" of our communities.

Otherwise,of what benefit is an education, when the children are not taught in English?

I also think that students' legal status should be verified, but that's another issue.


Racist?
Anonymous (not verified)  2007-08-27 06:17   

Look dude, stop being a racist! What do you mean by: "if we want to live is Mexico, then we can learn Spanish?"

Shut up and learn a second language! You know why? Because unlike you those people who speak Spanish will get a better job other than those who complain about it in blogs!

[Ed Note: (the above post was heavily edited for language, content and spelling) Normally I don't post this kind of thing, but this is illustrative of the problem. As best I can tell the argument (some might even define it as the core of "bilingual education") is: "if you're not for teaching non-English-speaking Hispanics in Spanish, then you're racist."

"Second language" means "Spanish." It doesn't mean Korean, Chinese, French, German, Swahili, or anything else; just "Spanish." I speak Spanish which, I must admit, comes in handy.

But the trade language of this nation is English. If kids going through our school system do not learn English, they will not be successful in this Country.

To do anything to deprive a kid of his or her opportunity to learn correct English will handicap the child for the rest of his or her life--assuming he or she wants to stay in the USA. It is depriving the child of a shot at "the American dream."

Out of all the things I hear the "Immigrant's Rights" advocates say, I never hear them complain about living conditions (things like 20 people living in squalor in a 2 bedroom apartment), low pay, abuse at the hands of unscrupulous employers--things like that. It's always the "race card."

My position, on the other hand, is that anybody who comes to this country deserves a shot at "the American dream." To deny someone this, or artificially handicap them (or their kids) is appalling.

So before you go calling folks racist because someone wants your kids to learn English, you should stop and think why it is some of them want to see them learn English.

It isn't to "dilute their heritage" or force something down their throats that will destroy their lives, it is because some of us genuinely care--and deeply want to see them succeed.

Comments like yours always make me step back and ask: just who, exactly, is racist?]


Racist?
Anonymous (not verified)  2007-08-27 20:23   

I think the writer is totally incorrect. (Dare I call him the racist).

There is nothing I, as a tax paying citizen and mother of 3 in the DISD, would like better than to see all children in the DISD speaking and learning in English.

If we want any child to succeed in the United States, it is imperative they learn the English language.

As Dr. Hinojosa stated, he wants all children to go to college from the DISD. The only way that can happen is if they are proficient in English.

I do not know many universities in the United States that teach their curriculum in Spanish. So get off your boat and encourage all children to learn English. It will only propel them closer to success in the United States of America.

[Ed Note: It never ceases to amaze me that so-called "Hispanic rights" organizations seem to center on "hey, we don't want our kids' Latino heritage fouled by English." Yet, we have parents and business leaders who want to see these kids succeed. I hope, with our "bilingual education" program (which isn't a bilingual education program) that we're not turning out another generation of kids condemned to day labor.]


Spanish and DISD
No2Pencil  2006-10-22 12:22   

I am so tired of this ridiculous issue of forcing administrators to speak Spanish. It is an issue as volatile as US immigration policy and the so-called "guest worker" (aka illegal aliens) program. When one looks at the big picture the English/Spanish debate boils down to one major factor: economics. As a country, we have made it easier for native Spanish speakers to live and work in this country. Their are huge pockets of Dallas where every thing is in Spanish. So why should we ask them all to suddenly learn English? When I can buy detergent at Albertson's that has a sticker on the side that says "Now With More!!!" and right next to it, it is labeled "Mas!", what the freak is going on in this country?

Hiring Spanish speakers to run our schools is not the answer because guess what? There aren't enough Spanish speaking professionals for all those jobs. At the same time, I resent Mr. Diaz's flippant remarks about the "race card" when handfuls of non-Hispanic, ENGLISH speaking DISD professionals work hard and spend close to $10,000 of their own money to earn a Master's degree in mid-management or counseling only to be shut out of jobs in DISD because they do not speak Spanish as well. This is ridiculous. I guaran-damn-tee ya that if Hispanic jobs were being shut out of the district, Mr. Diaz would cry foul and be upset as well.
Another major problem with hiring Spanish speaking individuals is that many of them are not even qualified to hold the job they have been assigned to. What sense does it make to have a Spanish speaking principal who has worked with children in a school district for only three years MANAGING and giving directives to veteran teachers of the classroom who have been working for 20+ years????? Our school has three Spanish speaking individuals whom are no more qualified to hold their positions than a recent college graduate. Oops! I'm sorry they ARE recent college graduates!! One of our "professionals" was being paid the same salary as a first year teacher.......and didn't even have an Associate's Degree. Why was she hired? She speaks Spanish. Is THIS right, Mr. Diaz? Another major problem is that some Spanish speaking individuals are often so poorly educated themselves that they do not even teach proper English or Spanish grammar themselves. How is THAT helping students? New York City tried the same thing--hiring folks from Panama and abroad and guess what happened? They ALL failed the state teaching exam. Mayor Bloomberg has since shut this program down.
Here's a novel idea, regardless of the 65% Hispanic student enrollment rate that everyon'e bandying about: This is the United States of America. We speak English. You shall do the same. I certainly don't expect to run around France, Italy and Mexico expecting everything in stores to CHANGE to English and everyone learning MY language. Why should oour country be any different?


Spanish Speaking Principals
Anonymous  2006-10-23 17:40   

I agree with your comments. 2 of my children attend DISD schools. I am the room mother for both of their classrooms.

When I call to ask for volunteers for different opportunities in the classroom, the parents ask me to speak Spanish. They don't understand.

I attempt to speak to them with my broken Spanish, but they tell me "they no volunteer at school, school takes care of children."

Communication breakdown?

No, cultural breakdown.

The Hispanic culture does not understand why they should be volunteering in the schools.

It's an American thing.

If they are going to attend school in America, it's imperative they learn to speak English.

Children are sucessful in school because of parental involvement. It's the parents responsibilty to stay involved in their childrens education.


Spanish-Speaking Principals
Anonymous  2006-10-14 17:33   

No one should be required to speak spanish in DISD (or anywhere else for that matter).

I understand if you need someone at an immigration office or the main DISD heardquarters to help those you are new here.

And even someone at a school to help those non-english speaking to learn english quickly, but other than that, it is really unrealistic and one again bowing down to those who choose to not comply.


Spanish for principals
Anonymous  2006-10-12 18:36   

Well, it sounds like the wind is changing directions @ DISD.

I want what is best for children, no matter what ethnic group.

I agree that someone in the admin group should be able to speak spanish but I believe that was mostly the case before this became an issue last year.

Lew Blackburn isn't the first to raise the race card, isn't that what happened last year, however it was the ethnic card instead?

[Ed Note: No, that was the "Joe May" card! I'm convinced that Joe just wanted to rattle trees and shake leaves. Whether you liked him or not, Joe got you talking. In the end, I think that's how he would have wanted things.]


T W Brown meeting
queenie  2006-10-13 02:51   

Does anyone know what happened @ the TW Brown meeting on Thursday night?


T.W. Browne Parents
Anonymous (not verified)  2006-12-12 10:08   

T.W. Browne made an attempt to reach all parents by giving a glimpse of the mathematics study material used to teach our children how to successfully pass the state required testing. It was a wonderful gesture and I applaud them for their efforts. Unfortunately the parent involvement was little to none. That auditorium should have been full. Each student should have had a parent/guardian there on last evening.

If we do not take responsibility for our children's education who will? It is not up to the administrators or even the teachers to ensure our children receive proper education, it's the parents. Where is the fight, where is the backbone of the parent? Kids are being sent to school every day and that's it. But that's not the way it should be. Parents must get involved. Our kids have 18 - 19 years to be children the rest of their life is spent as an adult.

Juvenile detention centers are filling up with our children for lack at attention and parenting. Wake up people, and take back your kid. Don’t believe the hype of the media, take a hold of your children's present and future, and let’s get back to basic. We should want them to be prepared and it begins at home and should continue in the school and your church. Parents if you don’t get involved in your child's education, how will you know what they are doing 7 hours of the day?

Wake up parents....


LULAC Condemns Propose Change
JESSE DIAZ  2006-10-12 17:14   

Subject: DISD-Attempts To Eliminate Former DISD Joe May's Approved Policy Requiring Some Principals With a Mostly Spanish-speaking Student Population To Learn Spanish & Demand Apology From DISD Trustee Dr. Lew Blackburn For Playing The Race Card On This Issue.

DISD board member Carla Ranger's intent to eliminate an approved DISD policy requiring principals with mostly Spanish-speaking student population to learn Spanish is ill conceived. Our council believes our beloved and departed former trustee Joe May presented an excellent position on this issue validating the need for this policy backed with statistical data prior to obtaining a majority vote to support passage of this issue. Our council urges the DISD board of trustees to take into consideration, the 65 percent of the DISD population who would be adversely affected if this policy is eliminated and/or watered down.

In addition, our council demands an apology from DISD trustee Dr. Lew Blackburn for playing the race card on this issue for his comments before local media outlets branding the intent of this policy as an underhanded tool to hire additional Hispanic principals. His comments were shallow and without merit.


An apology?
Anonymous  2006-12-02 11:59   

DISD teachers want an apology from LULAC for accusing us of not wanting the best for their kids.

They want an apology from LULAC for not providing translators at ALL school events, especially parent conferences, in ALL schools.

Hey, walk the walk, there, buddy!

Show the Spanish speaking parents someone who can speak both languages.

LULAC should apologize for not demanding more from the parents it supposedly represents! Hey, ever tell them on Univision how in the ESTADOS UNIDOS, we expect parents to help!

You can't have it both ways. Either adjust to the American way of education or deal with the consequences.

Oh, and by the way, the more you complain, the more people refuse to listen. Why not show a helping hand with the dropout rate, pregnant Hispanic students, etc???

Why not convince the parents to not buy SCARFACE clothing for their kids?

Why not have LULAC show up at school plays to support kids of all races? How about basketball games?

You see, the DISD has kids of all kinds, not just those from Mexico.


Spanish speaking principals
Anonymous  2006-10-24 12:45   

I am a strong supporter of civil rights and education. However, LULAC is dead WRONG on this issue.

To require DISD principals speak Spanish or lose their jobs is ridiculous.

It's about time for the citizens of Dallas to stand up and be heard.

I was extremely surprised when this unfair and ridiculous bill actually passed.

So my hat goes off to Ms. Ranger for her insight and committment to ALL of the students of DISD...not just one special group of students.


Spanish For Sure...
Anonymous  2006-10-22 21:23   

So if we speak Spanish to that 65 percent, nobody ever has to learn English. Sounds like a great idea. What statistical data backs up a traditional total immersion program for Spanish speaking students? This type of hiring increases parental involvement? Give me a break. Work in a school. PARENTS increase parental involvement...in English or Spanish.


Ill conceived?
Anonymous  2006-10-13 15:21   

So what card is it that LULAC is playing? If race/ethnicity is not an issue, then why the requirement for an administrator to speak Spanish? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth!

This is America. English is our language!


Idiocy
Anonymous  2006-10-24 23:22   

I COMPLETELY agree! I do not understand why WE must adapt to THEM instead of the other way around? There is no INCENTIVE for Spanish kids/parents to learn the language of THE COUNTRY THEY LIVE IN because we make it so easy.

How are we helping ourselves that way??

Or them?

Forcing our principals or anyone else to learn Spanish does NOT help the kids... it just promotes racism in my opinion... it supports the fact that they are "different" and just puts up more barriers on both sides.


Why?
Anonymous  2006-10-27 21:59   

While, it is helpful to employ somone who speaks Spanish, so they can communicate, I have two questions, that seem very obvious to me.

1. Why can't we take the money and energy we spend accommodating those who have decided not to learn English (have you noticed how other cultures have managed to come to the US and learn fluent English in a matter of months or a year?)and spend that same money teaching our Spanish speaking students (and perhaps their families) English???

2. In school where the Hispanic population is high, the assumption is that there is no one in the building who can communicate with our Spanish-speaking families. That is very far from the truth. In every DISD school I have been in there are Spanish speaking teachers, aids, custodians, counselors, assistant principals, librarians, and in some instances principals. So the obvious question is why must we now REQUIRE the head principal be Spanish speaking in addition to everyone else?

It just seems like the solutions they have come up with are more expensive, more divisive, and in the end do not solve the problem.


Spanish for DISD Staff?
Anonymous  2006-10-28 16:50   

Some recent info for DISD Staff has come out in English and Spanish versions. Do we really have teachers that need Spanish translations in order to get critical info?


Re: Spanish for Staff
bbeach8907  2006-10-29 07:04   

The DISD info given to staff in Spanish is for the teachers, who are suppose to be Bilingual and aren't.

At the DISD Board Mtg. last Thurs. it was brought up that they are indeed putting too much emphasis on Spanish in the classroom.

WHY NOT spend more instructional time teaching our children Spanish?

To me it could be started in elementary school and SLOWLY be intergrated throughout the years in English, making it easier when taken in High School.

I myself wish I knew Spanish. I'm in the schools and find myself unable to help someone when needed, because of the language barrier.

My biggest concern comes after Elementary and Junior High.

How are these students going to fair in High School?

What about College? How many college courses are taught in Spanish?

DISD hasn't thought out the end result of handicapping the Spanish population.

One response written last week was about the language barrier with parents, when asking for help volunteering in the schools.

The person wrote that the Hispanics say: "No volunteer at school; school takes care of our children."

Our Junior High school last year was 60-65% Hispanic.

The parents don't come to PTA. I (as a PTA member) only see these parents at Parent conferences or when they are in trouble.

The parents have no incentives to learn English and be involved. They (and their kids) are the future of Dallas.

Many have asked and no one seems to answer the question that keeps being brought up: "How is it the children of Sudan, Bosnia, Asian countries, etc. come here speaking no English then work hard to learn English and succeed?"

It's because they are taught only in English from day one because the District doesn't have a program to teach them in their native language!

At the Bryan Adams parade on Saturday, a group of Folkloric dancers in Spanish costumes kept repeating Viva Mexico--not the theme of the parade which was Viva Las Vegas.

[Ed Note: Yes, we need to figure out what it is we are trying to accomplish here. Are we trying to turn out a generation of kids we're condemning to failure? Are we providing a day care for immigrants? Or do we really care about the future of our Latino kids. I, for one, do care, and it pains me to see the "Russian roulette" we're playing with their future.


Spanish for Staff
Frank (not verified)  2007-02-04 02:11   

I think that all the staff have to able to speak in Spanish.

I'm afraid that all who proclaims "This is America. English is our language!" are crossing your arms and remain seated in a very comfortable situation, hiding the fact that those guys do not have the will and the capability to expand their boundaries by learning another language.

In Europe to speak three languages is a common thing.

In Germany, Netherlands, Sweden they speak their natural language and English too since the elementary school.

More than 300 hundred millions of persons speak Spanish in the world.

I have the feeling that the Bilingual issue is not taken seriously here at Dallas.

It is like we have the Spanish issue at the school due the school budget is justified by the number of pupils and the Hispanic population is useful at this point.

But the intention is not going beyond than that.

Many people complaints about the Hispanic parent contribution, but there is not a proper organization to receive those parents and make them feel part of the issue and in the end I would like to know if those who complains about the Hispanic parent contribution really cares about it.

Years ago my kid had a pajama party at the school. The school had a Bilingual Program. At that time my kid did not speak English. We went to the pajama party that in the end resulted an excuse to make the parents to buy books in order to contribute to the school library and all the activities were organized in English. There was not any, nothing, none organized for the "Bilingual" students.

I could not make anything stop my kid anguish and sadness, and what was his fault to deserve such a treatment, he was only a kid.

The Bilingual issue is just only taken in count when the election comes, for the budget issues.

We need to realize that the Bilingual is not merely to have a person who speak Spanish in the class, is just to build the organization, the channels and the proper structure to integrate seriously this huge part of the Dallas population who they are already there living with us and being our future.

I'm living here at Dallas since long time ago paying my too much taxes every year.

[Ed Note: Anyone can learn English. Anyone can learn Spanish. It's just not important to us to use language for anything other than politics right now. Unfortunately, our success in life is determined by how well we speak a target language. We need to do a better job of dual-language education.


There's a large percent of
Anonymous (not verified)  2007-02-09 07:28   

There's a large percent of Hispanic students who were illegal in our schools in Dallas ISD.

The Dual-Language program is costing taxpayers lots of money. The price ticket goes up when you including the extra bonus ($5000) the teachers who serves this group of largely illegal group.

This doesn't include what Dallas ISD spent for overseas recruiting.

Then you have have to count the cost of hiring of top Hispanic administrators to run programs.

All this takes resources away from students who are legal. I know that all student whether illegal or not are granted free education, but something is wrong when the illegals are getting a better education.

[Ed Note: I'm not willing to cede that illegals are getting a better education. If we keep going the way we are, we're setting another generation of Hispanic kids up for failure. But that, as I say, is another story.]


Language usefulness
Anonymous (not verified)  2007-02-07 23:58   

It is sad your child was not included in the pajama party. No matter the language, a kid is indeed, a kid.

However, parents are given many chances to know about events at school. They are told at the intake center, if they are immigrants. They are told again when they register at the school. They are sent letters, robocalls and kids are told as well.

There is not one DISD school today that is short staffed on Spanish speakers. Of course, Vietnamese, Almaric, Russian and other language speaking parents are totally out of luck, aren't they? Nobody seems to care about them. Even if one kid has a language barrier, it needs to be addressed.

Sir, the problem many Americans have with "Spanish" is this sense of entitlement. That we, the citizens, should accommodate you at every turn. Studies show that this actually isolates the immigrant family longer as they are not forced to learn English to survive. If Vietnamese, Sudanese, Brazilian, and other families who come into our schools can do it, why can't Mexican immigrants?

Also, the fact that 300 million people speak Spanish does not make the language more important. In fact, CHINESE is spoken by over 1.5 BILLION people. China is our nation's largest trading partner. We should learn Chinese to compete.Chinese should be the dual language partner, not Spanish.

The military, media and other institutions need thousands more Arabic speakers. Why not train kids in that?

Also, Europeans learn three languages. BUT!! BUT!! Their home country's language is the ONLY language you will see on their local ballots, their electric bills, court proceedings, etc... Do not confuse personal ability with governmental responsibility. If you go to any European country, watch their guest workers. They learn the local language, no questions.

[Ed Note: One friend of mine (Hispanic himself) refers to the "Spanish" spoken by many parents and kids in the District as "junk Spanish." In his first job, working as a roofer with illegals, he was made fun of because he didn't speak the "right" Spanish. So we're going to probably end up debating dialect issues before all is said-and-done. That is, unless our goal is to produce kids who have no desire to seek the American Dream. But that is the subject of an upcoming editorial and I don't want to give it away just yet!]


Talk about discrimination
Anonymous (not verified)  2007-03-18 16:23   

I completely agrree with your comments. I am an immigrant, who came from a Spanish speaking country while a teenager.

I believe the reason why I became successful, (graduated from high school and college), was due to the fact that I became obsessed about learning English.

Right now, I am a bilingual teacher, (not for long) because I have discovered that the bilingual education system is doing more harm than good.

But during my brief stint in Dallas, I have known about many instances where less qualified personnel have been promoted over more qualified candidates only because they speak Spanish.

That is preposterous to me, and an insult to all those qualified people who don't speak Spanish.

But a huge problem in Dallas ISD, is the environment of complacency that runs rampant.

People that are treated unfairly do not complain, I am baffed by this.

Many principals (including my own)base their leadership on intimidation tactics that would not be tolerated in any other workplace. I am glad that some people have the guts to stand up against injustice.


Note on Spanish/English
thetruth (not verified)  2007-02-06 17:53   

This is the USA and are we not the only country that lists everything in two different languages?

Do other countries do that if you live there? No you have to learn to speak that langauage.

So if you want to live here, learn to speak English. No one is saying ignore Spanish.


Dual language is a great
Anonymous (not verified)  2007-02-05 17:13   

Dual language is a great concept.

The United States has educated children in English since we were founded. For children to become successful (ie: going to college per Dr. Hinojosa), they need to be able to speak, read and comprehend English.

Universities are not teaching college students finance or American history in Spanish.

It's a very complex issue, but the end result is to learn the English language.

Next, regarding parental participation. I read an interesting study done in Mexico regarding the education system there. Parental involvement is not a part of the education system.

In Texas, parents play a key role in the education of the child and the day to day operations of a school. It is part of the Hispanic culture that needs to be addressed. With parental support at school comes a child who values education.


Your letter is a prime
Anonymous (not verified)  2007-02-04 19:51   

Your letter is a prime example of the reason for all students to be able to read and write in English.

When a person chooses to move to another country they assume the responsibility to learn the language.

This is the USA and English is the language.

If you can not live with this, Mexico has room for you!!!


Illegals in DISD
Anonymous (not verified)  2007-06-03 16:08   

How stupid are Americans?

Why have we sat back and paid millions in tax dollars to public education to fund schools for illegals?

Illegals don't pay taxes, but the system is poised to accommodate them.

What about Asians, Africans and others who speak a different language? Are we accommodating them?

It's indeed a Texas problem that must be addressed both state and locally.

The drug dealer only sells to those who want to buy, but we prosecute them for breaking the law, but it looks like its ok to cross the border and drain our public systems (education, healthcare, etc)as an illegal immigrant.

Illegal means illegal.

[Ed Note: Actually, many do contribute to the tax base. Some don't. But here's what I find interesting: we debate whether these guys should/shouldn't be here--yet we ignore things like them being crammed 15-to-an-apartment. We ignore the issue that we don't teach them in English (aka "bilingual education")--thereby setting them up for failure.

The U.S. is a country built around immigration. I feel deeply that each of us deserves a shot at the "American Dream." But it seems to be OK with most of us that we're turning out another generation of people who we're not equipping for a shot at the dream--all in the name of cheap labor. That, to me, is un-American.]


 
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