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DART - High Speed in the Parking Lot

RecentCoin  2007-08-02 21:17     

Well, it seems that DART has decided that it's horribly understaffed officers need really expensive new Dodge Charger Police Interceptors to park up at the transit centers. I really don't understand why they need a $50,000 car in the first place. That figure is just the base price for the police model. That doesn't include any of the equipment like lights, radios, sirens, etc. to fit it out. That's approximately the same for any car, so we'll ignore those numbers. Police cars tend to take a beating, so it's logical that they need to be replaced periodically.

Surely the same Crown Victoria's that the DPD drives would be more than sufficient. I've never ever seen the DART police engaged in a high speed chase, and that's what the Charger is - a high speed chase vehicle. Why not save the money and hire more officers? You're only about 500 officers short of what you need to really do the job right.

Cost of DART cars revealed?
Anonymous (not verified)  2007-09-05 19:34   

Isn't the cost of the cars public information? Has anyone requested the invoices for the cars, based on the VIN in the window of the car?

[Ed Note: That would be in Recent Coin's department. I'll help her write a Public Information Act request tomorrow.]


Since I know a little about
J Jones (not verified)  2008-01-14 01:56   

Since I know a little about this (lol) I'll set the record straight for everyone here....

1.) Police Department's who purchase the Charger at fleet rates pay around $22-$26k per vehicle depending on model, add-ons and number of units purchased.

2.) DART Police use the Charger's for HOV/Traffic patrol. The officers have to accelerate from a dead stop into a "one lane fast lane" were speeds average over 70 mph.

3.) The safety ratings of the Dodge Charger have been proven superior to the Ford Crown Victoria and Chevrolet Impala police vehicles.

4.) Don't look now, but 80 brand spanking new Dodge Chargers (with 5.7 liter HEMI V8s) just hit the mean streets of Dallas manned by the Dallas Police Department's finest!

Many cities, including Arlington, Fort Worth, Mansfield, Plano, Addison, DFW International Airport DPS, Sachse, Garland, just to name a few, have put the new Chargers into service as well.

Finally, Dallas Police discontinued purchasing Ford Crown Victorias in 2003 (actually, after suing Ford Motor Co. over several fuel tank fires/explosions, Ford still to this day refuses to sell the City of Dallas, and any other city who participated in the lawsuit, Crown Victorias.) For a short time, DPD chose to put Dodge Intrepid's into service, but the vehicles held up poorly (it was also discontinued) and in 2005 they began using Chevrolet Impalas exclusively for regular patrol service (for a short time they purchased Ford Explorer's and Expedition's for K9 and other special units.) Currently Dallas Police have continued purchasing the even newer model Chevrolet Impala's and are now phasing in the Dodge Charger's to the patrol divisions as well.

K9 and SWAT Units are now driving Chevrolet Tahoe's, and there are still a few random Z28 Camaro's, and really old Chevrolet Caprices and Crown Victorias that are still beatin' the mean streets of Dallas, Texas.

And there you have it folks.

[Ed Note: Thanks!]


DART cars
BDS (not verified)  2008-02-28 10:36   

You guys crack me up. Do any of you research your facts, or just shoot from the hip? The DART cars were purchased off the state contract at under 21000.00 for each car alone. The DPD cars were purchased as V6 models and they currently have no V8 Chargers..........

[Ed Note: Yes, this question has been asked before...]


Prices
keith  2007-09-08 08:01   

My source states that the Dodge Charger police package vehicles only cost $24,000 each. The Crown Victoria police package vehicles cost $22,000 each.


Police Cars
keith  2007-09-04 19:21   

You must not pay much attention to Dallas Police either. They are phasing their Crown Victorias out for Chevy Impalas.


Either way, they're still
RecentCoin  2007-09-05 11:43   

Either way, they're still cheaper than the Chargers.

2 more cents,

RC


DART Police Chargers
keith  2007-08-18 11:59   

I don't know where you are getting the price for the Police model Dodge Chargers but they do not cost $50,000. The Chargers are for use on the highway HOV lanes where people travel on average of 75mph. The chargers are at the train stations for any number of reasons.


Unless you're willing to
RecentCoin  2007-09-05 11:44   

Unless you're willing to post an invoice showing otherwise, I'll stick with my figure which I obtained by calling a Dodge dealership and asking what they sell them for to the various police departments.

RC


Wholesale or loaded?
Anonymous (not verified)  2007-09-08 20:59   

The $50,000 you were quoted...is that for one car, or one car in a fleet that is purchased at one time? Is it for a plain car, or one with all the gear needed on a police car? If you think about it, the lights, the grills, the whatevers, that all costs money to make a car a police car.

Also, it would be nice to know which police departments they claim to have sold $50,000 cars to. Maybe their taxpayers would like to know....


That's fully equipped but
RecentCoin  2007-09-26 14:56   

That's fully equipped but the trick here is that they HAVE to be sold fully equipped because stuff like the light bars, etc cannot be recycled off the older models that they're replacing.

Instead of buying a new car and transferring all the police necessities to it, they have to get all new stuff when they buy a Charger.


Recycling Cop Cars
Anonymous (not verified)  2007-09-26 22:42   

So, where do all the equipment and the old cars go after they are out of service? Auction? Would be interesting to see what the city gets for them.


Some of the equipment from
Anonymous (not verified)  2008-04-09 00:45   

Some of the equipment from the older police vehicles can be recycled to the new vehicles, with some modifications. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Dallas PD purchased new LED lightbars for their squads as it provides better warning power than the standard halogen lightbars they have currently.


DART Parking Lots
Anonymous (not verified)  2007-08-07 16:38   

I don't know about our readers, but when DART Rail Parking Lots are involved, I drop off passengers at the terminal and then leave for safer venues quickly.

I would not leave a personal vehicle in a DART Parking lot for fear that either the vehicle would be empty or stolen upon my return.

The other fear is that DART electric power would fail leaving passengers to fend for themselves on DART buses which show up sooner or later and deposit passengers at some location other than where the personal vehicle is parked.

Walking to or from the terminal from vehicle transportation may best be accomplished if carrying a concealed weapon.

You DART passengers --- STAY SAFE out there.

[Ed Note: I've never seen power fail on DART, and my vehicle has never been vandalized or stolen. That being said, most of DART's problems seem to center around nuisances and bad decisions made by their outward-facing employees. They need a shock dose of reality sometime. I know the DART board reads this website.]


Depending on where you're
RecentCoin  2007-09-26 14:52   

Depending on where you're dropping people off, I would tend to agree with the original commenter. I've had armed police officers tell me that there are parts of the DART system that make them uncomfortable. They don't feel safe and they're carrying a gun!!

RecentCoin


DART: Relative Safety
Anonymous (not verified)  2007-09-26 22:51   

Yes, DART lots can be dangerous. My friend's car was broken into while we took the "Flyer" from Mockingbird Station to the Cowboys game--in 2001.

Since then, nothing bad has happened.

In the meantime, you can get mugged at Northpark, kidnapped at a 7-11, shot at a nightclub, etc...

Life in the big city is full of danger. It doesn't excuse the lack of safety, but it should be in perspective.

Ever been in D.C. at midnight? Ever been in Philly at 1 a.m.? Ever been on the subway at 5p.m. in NYC?

[Ed Note: I've been to D.C. at midnight! But it's quite a bit scarier during the day when Congress is in session!]


 
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