DISD: No Mas Ingles

Imagine my surprise.

Just when I think it's safe to drive down the street again in DISD, I drive by this:

Spanish only

Signs in Espanol solamente (Spanish-only)?

What about the Ingles (English) subtitles?

Ingles? Dallas? Texas? We don't need no stinkin' Ingles here no mas! We're a bilingual district now!

But, I did a little more driving around to see if somebody was just trying to prove a political point--and accidentally stumbled on to what I think could pan out to really be something...

Hotchkiss en Espanol

Say que? Alumnos? How about the estudiantes (yes, friends, I know--I'm just being sarcastic)? And what about the English-speaking students? Oh, I get it, they're just trying to be confusing.

Rogers no Ingles

What's going on here? "NO HaBRa CLaEs?" Say Que? But then I drove by Reinhart Elementary and I figured it all out.

Reinhart no Ingles

See, what I haven't told you is that the otro lado de la marquesina hay... er... sorry, "the other side of the marquee" has the English translation of the District's new apparent primary language. The other side of Reinharts sign, for instance, tells the English-speaking students that classes start on August 27 (even though this side talks about summer school).

There's a conspiracy here. I can feel it!

By the way, does anyone know how to spell Dallas.Org in Espanol?

And in case anyone missed it, Robert Guest wrote an absolutely hilarious tongue-in-cheek article on picking a public school in Dallas .

Everyone enjoy the first week of escuela!

We're Taking Over

I am from Mexico and live here legally because I dont recognize your law calling me illegal. You just wait in 5 years there going to be a revolution and we are taking over kick you all out along with the Mexicans who call themselves our brothers but want us to go home or get legal. We are home! And we are staying!

[Ed Note: Well alrighty then! Viva Mexas or Texico (or whatever you plan on calling the place)! I surrender! I'm going upstairs to pack my bags now. Sheesh!

By the way, this week is "post the stuff we normally delete" week on Dallas.Org!]

Straight Jackets for Illegals?

Hey, at least we're nice here when we repatriate folks!

Spain has a different approach!


We are doing a dis-service to our youth by catering to the path of least resistance.

What did our founding fathers and historic immigrants do when they came to America?

Did they naturalize and adapt to the culture or did they continue in their German, Italian, Czech, or French language while working in this country?

And what do the Spanish speakers of the modern era do here? They simply want to make a buck.

But adapt, I think not.

It's time for the teachers to honor the taxpayers of this city and begin to draw the line on when to accommodate the non-traditional culture and instead to honor the American way--the way that was paid for in blood, and the freedom that we now enjoy after the American Revolution, the War of 1812, the Civil War, the Spanish-American War of 1899, World War I, World War II, the Korean Conflict, the Vietnam War, the Iraq Conflict of 1991, and most recently the war on Terror.

How many men and women have given their lives for the freedom we enjoy. Ask these kids about the first Amendment and see what kind of response you get.

What really gets to me as a taxpayer and US Citizen is how the educators of Texas seem to find it amusing that they don't have to speak in English to the students all those years but when these kids "graduate" and go to a job interview with any Fortune 100 company, it will be in English.

That's how I conduct my interviews. And they won't be given much leeway when their background check comes back with exceptions.

[Ed Note: See, this is the crux of the issue. Our country was built on immigrants--that's who we cater to, and that's what we are. But today's illegal immigrants are not being afforded any opportunity that leads to a life other than menial labor. This seems to "sit well" with everyone from the organizations claiming to represent them--all the way to the organizations who employ them just because they can pay them low wages.

Hispanic parents need to be aware that their kids are not being set up for success, rather for failure in a big way.]

We Told Ya!

Man, I knew we was gonna win Mexican rule!

Get ready for the Mexican Invasion!

[Ed Note: You mean there's more to come?! If you don't watch it, we're going to have to get the French involved :) ]

Congratulations on Your "Win"

You call it a "win"?

Okay, if "winning" is a 50% dropout rate.

If "winning" is a huge amount of your sons involved in gangs, and more and more of your daughters getting pregnant by them.

Is it "winning" to see a neighborhood decline from the middle class to almost third world conditions in less than 6 years?

Congratulations, you win.

Signs in Cherokee

We were here before ALL of you people. Where are the signs in Cherokee? We demand equal rights. We certainly deserve it after the genocidal campaign we were subjected to. We deserve to have text books, classes, signs,forms, and even school staff that can speak Cherokee. We want our children educated in Cherokee and we don't want them to learn English, even though the rest of the country speaks it. They might lose their cultural heritage.

2 cents,


[Ed Note: (Chuckle!)]


I also saw the Spanish signs and about died. Then, I also saw the other side, which was in English. However, I still didn't see anything in Vietnamese.

Getting the parents involved is great. Now, would someone check to see of the above photographed schools offer English classes to los Padres, the parents?

[Ed Note: Ingles? Nosotros no need no stinkin' Ingles! (I'll see if we can get some signs made in Vietnamese :) ]

What's Wrong With Bilingual Ed?

What is wrong with the bilingual education program?

I would like to know why Europe and every other continent in the world teaches their children in more than one language and the United States is the only one that teaches only English?

Lets get our kids to the 21st century and make them more marketable in todays world by educating them in several languages!

This is the idea behind the dual language program.

Yea perhaps there should be other languages taught other than Spanish, but the parents need to demand it!

Instead of stealing the public funds like we have heard so much about we should try to increase the languages taught and improve the public school system.

[Ed Note: OK, let's get this straight: "bilingual education" where you mix kids who speak one language with kids who speak another language (and teach half-days in one language, and half in the other) is a good thing. But that's not what we're doing in DISD. We're focusing solely on Spanish (to the exclusion of all other languages), and we're trying to keep English out of the classrooms as long as possible.

Ironically, I don't think anyone in DISD administration wishes any of these kids harm. They're just wrong and, unfortunately, it's going to take decades to realize the harm and decades more to correct it.]

Bilingual Definition

Actually, you just described "dual language," not Bilingual. (Dual language is when you "half and half," one half of the class speaks one language, the other half knows the other language, and together they learn both.)

Bilingual in DISD is when you teach a child in his native tongue and gradually introduce English. The further into the academic year, the more you teach in English, less in Spanish. Since Bilingual is ony until the 6th grade, anyone who comes in after that--------or speaks something other than Spanish at any age----is taught ELI: English Language Instruction. There, they teach the kids very basic English.

They then go into ESL: English as a Second Language classes. They stay in those until the acquire enough English to go to "sheltered" classes. THEN, if they pass the Woodcock-Munoz test at a certain level, they are "exited" from LEP (Limited English Proficient) and put into regular classes.

Now, the kicker about No Child Left Behind? Experts agree it takes truly 3-5 years to learn a foreign language well enough to be educated in it. Our kids? They get a whopping 13 months. That is why so many of the DISD high schools are failing in NCLB's Annual Yearly Progress: AYP.

I challenge anyone to go to a new country and learn its language---and the associated subjects of science, math and history--in the new language--well enough to take four exams in that language less than 18 months after you get there. And the non-Hispanic kids? God bless 'em, some of the kids from East Africa have never seen a pencil, sat in a desk or had any exposure to formal education.

The emphasis for the non-Spanish speaking immigrant kids is heavy on learning English, since they are usually the only ones in the family to have an education of any kind.

Unfortunately, many of the Spanish speaking kids do not transition easily or quickly into English because it is too easy to stay in Spanish. They can hear Spanish everywhere.

[Ed Note: Yes, but don't you think that continuing to educate them non-uniformly in Spanish, and without the benefit of English-speaking classmates, creates a sub-class of kids that will be difficult to integrate later? I guess the big question is: are we creating another generation of day laborers who have no hope of professional employment?]

How About The Kids?

I have had the benefit of experiencing the public school system as a young Spanish-speaking child.

So, let me offer just a little insight.

Over thirty years ago, our classes were taught in English and we had a bilingual class to help with the language barrier.

I did exceptionally well given my circumstances and went on to have a wonderful, and rewarding education.

And language was never a hindrance.

I say, teach them in English and watch how fast they will absorb the English language.

I am appalled at how poorly Americans feel about our Mexican children.

They are smart and they should be given the opportunity to learn the American way. Believe me, they will catch up and surpass your expectations.

Bilingual Ed

I applaude your input. You are absolutly right! Good for you and for all our Mexican background kids who can learn English at the same time while learning their academics in their native tongue. I am a bilingual mother of a very smart Mexican-American boy who is fully bilingual, now he is in 8th grade. He is one of a kind, he looks white because his skin color but when he speaks Spanish people give him odds looks. Es mexicano!!! o americano!!!!

Second Class By Language

Well, the law in Texas, pressed by Hispanic activists, was to educate the youngest kids in their own language and gradually wean them into English. But this happens only with Spanish.

Any Cambodian 7 yr old is "up a creek." He sinks or swims.

As for a generation of day laborers? Frankly, that is their parents' decision.

They can either push their kids to learn more English and work harder to achieve academically, or they can allow them to drop out and work for little or nothing.

I know you keep saying English is important to success.

I agree, but consider what "success" is to a poor immigrant from Southern Mexico.

What we would consider "second-class," they consider "making it."

Living in as 900 sq ft house in Pleasant Grove is heaven compared to the Old Country.

Here, even the cruddy houses have floors, A/C, running water and city services.

[Ed Note: Yes, but do we not have an obligation to prepare all students for the same level of success? Or, as a society, is it OK to do what we're doing and saying that a "900 sq ft house in Pleasant Grove" is "good enough" for a particular segment?

See, I have a real problem with this.]

Immigrant Expectations Less

I really do not see why you see this from their (the immigrants) point of view.

Because of where you were raised and how, you see anything less than going to college as a failure. They do not. We, as a society, can offer them the chance to do more, but ultimately, we are a free country, and it is up to them to decide what they want for their kids.

My parents would never have dreamed of asking me or another sibling to drop out of school at age 16 to help pay bills. It is in their culture to do so. My mother would have been horrified to see one of her daughters pregnant at 15, but again, not in their culture. Thousands of DISD students LITERALLY come from Third World conditions. To expect them to grab onto the dreams of a First World culture can be very scary. Not all of them feel this way, of course, but many do.

Let's put it this way: If even 15% more of our immigrant teenagers were to NOT drop out of high school and push hard to pass the TAKS and graduate, then half of our high schools would not be in trouble with AYP. If another 15% of our African American students would take the 10th grade TAKS test as seriously as they do the Exit Level in the 11th, again, half of the schools would not be "failing."

Until the very community our "TAKS subgroups" belong to push for achievement, teachers can only do so much. This summer, a teacher was overheard at staff development talking about how their principal had to convince the parents of FIFTH grader to NOT allow their son to drop out of school. How should we fight that?

[Ed Note: It is true that I grew up privileged. But everything I have, I earned--it was not given to me. I could live and raise my family anywhere I want: Highland Park, Plano, another state--anywhere I want. I choose to live and try to make a difference here in Dallas.

You know, my ancestors immigrated from Ireland. I understand, at that time, there was little hope for them to become more than what they were--which was close to nothing.

As a society built on immigration, I have a very strong view that we should provide our children with the tools they need to pursue "the American dream." When we begin deciding what is "American dream'ish enough" for one class of people, we begin to artificially create castes based on skin or nationality.

I certainly don't believe we should hand children, or adults, "success" based on what they are (skin color, nationality, etc.). However, I believe we should equip them to be able to pursue whatever they (not "we") determine, as they travel through life, success really is.]

The American Dream--in Spanish

Do you think "we" are holding these kids back?

It isn't us, it is THEM. Go to any DISD school, and you will see some really great Mexican kids working their tails off to get into college and get the American Dream.

You will see sitting right next to them a pregnant 15 yr old, a kid high on something, and a kid who--despite having been here since he was 4, still barely speaking English.

They all start off the same. The difference? Their parents.

The ones whose parents take an interest and push the kids, they succeed. The ones who don't, well, they serve you the glass of water at the restaurants when they are 30 years old.

There are too many chances for these kids to succeed.

Scholarships, tutoring, and other things at schools all around Dallas. I sincerely ask you to attend the open houses coming up soon and see how many parents show up in the high schools. Then come back for the PTA's and the report card night. Do a statistical average.

[Ed Note: This is all fine and good, and I feel your frustration. However, predetermining a child's success based on his or her nationality is a terrible disservice. It would be a shame to find out, 10 years from now, that our "bilingual" education program is nothing more than a babysitting program for Hispanic immigrants' kids.]

Judging Ourselves

All i want to say is that nobody should judge anyone because you don't know what people go through what happened to them or why the things they do happen and for some educated person to tell us that.

Kids drop out more and more everyday is the reality instead of blaming someone or the parents you should get up do something about it...you must really have the guts to say something about this i would like to see you comment this...

[Ed Note: What do you suggest that is not being done?]

Dr. Hinojosa: Do You Read?

I hope Dr. Hinojosa reads this website.

It is a wealth of information, not only coming from teachers, but parents and taxpaying citizens.

If you are reading this Dr. Hinojosa, install VOCATIONAL EDUCATION at all high schools.

Give all children the opportunity to succeed in what THEY feel is their path toward the American dream.

[Ed Note: Dallas.Org is an "all-or-none" website. All of them read it; none of them say they do :) ]

Vocational Education

I assume this call for vocational education means educators have decided that some children in some neighborhoods need to be tracked into an lower level academic program to prepare them for their teachers' expectations of them.

My original vocation was teaching, and I needed a college prep program to be prepared for it. So I don't guess these teachers are referring to finding one's true vocation in life. In order to do that, we all need the highest quality academic experiences.

I don't know if these calls for vocational education come from people who have been in private industry for the past 10 years. We are in the information age which requires a high degree of formal, traditional education. If these calls for vocational ed mean we need to return to wood shop or home economics, we certainly need to look at the changing global economy to determine the wisdom of those choices.

I'd strongly suggest we use our tax dollars to pay for the highest quality education for every child since today's students will have to compete in an economy that has bifurcated into jobs that pay less than a living wage and jobs that require a high level of education.

[Ed Note: Certainly it should be the child's / parent's choice, correct?]

Vocational Education

As a firm believer that the more education one has, the better, I think that increasing vocational education is an awful idea.

Vocational education is job training; it does nothing to enhance the overall ability to think, reason, or question.

As taxpayers, do we want to train the next generation to follow orders and never reach a higher level of thought process?

If a student chooses to discontinue further education after he graduates, so be it.

At that point, he can begin job training.

But, when he is learning on "my dollar," I would rather he learn to be a reasonably educated person.

By the way, teaching kids to be test-taking robots does not count!

Vocational Education: Missing the Point

I disagree with you completely.

My point regarding vocational education is to pull the students into something they CAN DO before they drop out.

Once they drop out, they have a choice of turning to crime or falling into a low paying job.

I would prefer to build their self-esteem, watch them make something of themselves they can feel proud of, and contribute to finding their "American dream."

It doesn't help anyone when a child drops out of high school. If that is where my taxes are going, great.

It's not a program just for Spanish speaking children, but for everyone.

Immigrant Expectations Less

I did not grow up privileged, but my parents stressed education.

That being said, not everyone is meant to go onto higher learning. The DISD and Dr. Hinojosa must provide vocational education at every high school.

Then every child will be given the opportunity to chase "their American Dream."

Maybe its to become a plumber or a computer tech, but they must be afforded this chance in high school before they make a decision to drop out.

[Ed Note: Exactly, and you hit on a key phrase: "they must be afforded this chance...before they make a decision to drop out. I don't have a problem with some kid, who had no chance, becoming a plumber or a roofer, or anything else! I have a problem with pre-determining who will succeed and to what level we decide they will succeed.

Put a different way: I don't have a problem with a student choosing whatever profession they wish. I have a problem choosing it for them.]

Don't like your customers?

These immigrant children and their parents are your customers/clients.

We taxpayers are giving you our hard-earned money to develop programs that address their educational needs because education is the only thing that empowers women so they delay pregnancy,and it has been the method of socializing immigrants since this country was founded.

I'm quite sure that we could pull teacher complaints when immigrants from all over eastern and southern Europe poured into New York and Chicago and hear the same message you are sending: My life would be so much better if I didn't have to teach these low-class illiterates.

Maybe some of your relatives were included in these lower class groups, or maybe they were part of the early settlers of the South who also didn't seem to value an education.

Here's my message as a taxpayer: If you don't have the training to address the needs of your consumer base, either get it or get out.

Your whining and labeling doesn't indicate you have the professional expertise you need to give these kids what they need to understand the importance of education.

Bring their parents into the learning community and mentor them on the importance of your job. Since I have done exactly what I'm suggesting to you, I know the results are phenomenal in terms of student achievement.

Don't Blame Me!

We have PTA, parent meetings, newsletters, notes sent home and yet some parents don't bother. They feel that it is the job of the teacher to "teach" a child all that he or she should know. I agree it is my job to teach but it is YOUR job to be the parent and to be involved in your child's life. I'm tired of being a mother, father, doctor,lawyer, body guard, counselor, minister,etc and whatever a child needs me to be; but I do it. As teachers we were many hats but when will parents were the HAT of being a parent.

Not all teachers complain. Have you ever been in a classroom? Do you volunteer at a school in your community? Probably not. Walk in my worn out shoes before you judge me.
I agree teachers should not insult children. Its not the child's fault that his/her parents came here for a better life. It's not his fault that his parents depend on him or her to learn English.

I think teachers get tired of being blamed for a child's failure. We get blamed for low TAKS scores, blamed for classrooms not ready for the first day, if it involves a child the TEACHER is at fault.

Start looking at PARENTS, ADMINISTRATORS, then the teacher.

[Ed Note: Would it be reasonable to sum it up by saying: "examine the policies?"]

Students Are Not "Customers"

A teacher is not a salesman. A salesman can refuse service to anyone. Teachers cannot.

A businessman can have you banned from his property, but it practically takes a murder to get a kid removed forever from a campus.

A businessman is in it for the profit, but teachers are not.

"Customers" see value in the objects they buy, but many parents and students do not value the free education they are being given.

So, please, "customers" is a non-starter.

Teachers welcome all students, but they expect parents to HELP them, not HINDER them in their attempts to educate the children.

Oh, and many of the teachers are also Dallas residents, so they also pay taxes. They know better than you do how the money is being spent--wisely or unwisely.

Oh, and MY poor, illiterate immigrant ancestors? They taught themselves English, put their kids in American schools and DEMANDED that they learn proper English as quickly as possible. Did not matter what the teachers thought of them or their ethnicity, because the parents had high expectations.

Their daughters and sons were taught to achieve, not to make excuses in failure because someone did not like them... which they did not. The only concession they made was to change their last name, since Americans could not pronounce it or spell it correctly. NEVER, EVER did they expect anyone to speak their native language to them, cater to them or help them.

I think it is great that you got parental involvement up somewhere. PLEASE broadcast it on Spanish television so the parents may learn from you.

And you are right, education does delay pregnancy-if the woman gets the education first. But when she is pregnant at 15, and her parents literally see no problem with that, please tell us how that is a good thing. (And this problem is not limited to the immigrant girls. Dallas continues to have a high pregnancy rate, even though the national average is dropping.)

And finally, "professional expertise" does not blind someone to the truth. DISD teachers get plenty of training on how to teach. Many spend their own time and money for even more training, like advanced degrees or additional certificates. All the training in the world for a teacher will not keep a kid in school if the parents do not support the teacher, the school and the idea that education is paramount.

Who kept you in school? What made you successful? Did you resist help when it was given? Did you turn your back on free benefits, free help and free everything else?

You can call it whining. I prefer to call it what it is: truth that too many politically correct people will not say.

[Ed Note: All good questions/points, but I do take exception: students, parents and taxpayers are all "customers" of DISD and, as such, have a right to demand excellence.]

Re: Students Are Not "Customers"

Anonymous wrote:

I think it is great that you got parental involvement up somewhere. PLEASE broadcast it on Spanish television so other parents may learn from you.

This comment brought to mind the newsletter/magazine called DallasISD Parent, which was mailed to all DISD parents last week.

Of course, half the magazine is English, and when the booklet is turned over, the other half is Spanish.

Anyhow there's a cover story about the importance of parental involvement and how it makes a difference.

I start reading the story and I'm thinking, "Aw, what a nice little fluff piece by the PR folks at DISD."

They even feature an Hispanic-American family and discuss how the parents have become more involved in their children's education thanks to some parenting workshops.

At the end of the article, though, reality hit me.

The mom says, "These courses have helped us get more involved with our daughters, and that has opened up our eyes to so many ways of encouraging them to improve. I've even started taking classes to learn English, so I can set an example for my children."

Well, duh!! The kicker -- dad is wearing a shirt that says (in English): "Please allow me to introduce myself."

One wonders if he knows what it says. Also, if the parents had not taken the parenting classes, would they have continued to speak only Spanish forever??

Customers can shop elsewhere

The editor's point is exactly why I disagree with "customers." If I fail to get good service, I can theoretically go somewhere else. Parents have the choice of home-schooling, private school or moving away.

It is only when they stop seeing themselves as CUSTOMERS, and start seeing themselves as OWNERS, then the system will change.

Why do people fix up the homes they buy? Because they OWN it, not rent it. They invest in it for the long hail, and expect a payoff of some kind in the future.

So, keep thinking "customers." Try "owners" and see what that does to your thinking.

[Ed Note: Good point made.]

Learning Multiple Language Is Good

I think that learning multiple languages is good. It's something that everyone should be exposed to. However, that is not what is going on here at all. What's going on here is that these children are not learning English *at all*. Calling it "bilingual" is really a misnomer, since there isn't a second language involved. It's a public education in Spanish.

This country is great place because we all speak the same language. We can do business, exchange ideas, and form cohesive communities of people from varying backgrounds because we can all do one very basic thing. Talk to each other.

This allows our culture to grow and shift because we get to do something that doesn't happen anywhere else in the world. We get to cherry pick this best bits of each culture, each set of traditions, etc. That's what goes in to the classic American melting pot. It's a sociological form of hybrid vigor.

If you start creating segments of the population that don't speak the same language, you're headed for problems. You're creating a fragmented population instead of a melded population. You create divisions that don't allow people to form communities. You create division that don't allow people do business. Ideas aren't exchanged. Why? Because they can't have a simple conversation.

2 cents,


Bilingual Education

Before having children in the DISD, I thought the bilingual program also taught Spanish to English only speakers.

Now I understand that this is another approach - "Dual language program" - which is not practiced by most of the schools.

Elementary students are not offered the opportunity to learn another language unless they are Spanish speakers and enrolled in the bilingual program.

If my English speaking sons had received instruction in another language during elementary grades, perhaps they would not struggle with the 2 years of required foreign language in high school.

Why can non-English speaking students be grouped in one classroom and special education students are "mainstreamed" with the general population?

Wouldn't the "bilingual" students benefit from the interaction with English speaking peers?

[Ed Note: Yes, I would love to have my kids in a dual-language program. Unfortunately, DISD's program is primarily designed for Spanish-speaking kids. What would be interesting is if some non-Spanish-speaking group decided to take the District to court.]

Not Just Children Speaking Poor English

We could go on forever about bilingual education and DISD will never get it right about how to teach children from ANY country.

In DISD we think bilingual is just Spanish....well you are wrong. There are children from all over the world enrolled in DISD and the district doesn't accommodate them.

My problem is the bilingual teacher. They go to Spain, Puerto Rico, Mexico, etc to hire bilingual teachers.


Have you ever sat in a training with someone who is suppose to teach these kids English and he or she can't say the word "pony"? That's crazy! They make $3000 more than I do and they don't want to teach English!!!!!

Right now at my school we have a fourth grade writing teacher who can't WRITE ENGLISH. Now tell me how is she going to get these kids to write for the TAKS when she can't either???

[Ed Note: Reminds me of a somewhat humorous story told by a student in a "bilingual" education class. They ended up a with a new math teacher, a layoff from Dell Computer, who was having a hard time with English.

He walked in with a "schedule" sheet and asked the students "how you pronounce this."

One student, thinking quickly, responded "skeddle." The others followed suit.

Apparently, this guy called it a "skeddle" for a couple of weeks before the kids let him off the hook!

On a more serious note, it may not be that important for a native-Spanish-speaking teacher to speak good English.

What is important, if it is truly the intent to have kids "bilingual," the day is balanced out by perfect English speakers--teachers and peers.

"Peers," apparently, are not that important to the District at this time--nor is any other language except Spanish.

It will be interesting to see what happens to some of the "bilingual" students when they hit junior high (and high school) with limited English skills.]

Where Does LULAC Stand?

The warnings are being sounded, but nobody hears them.

I would love to hear LULAC's answer to all this. Come on, where are all the Spanish speakers who live here? Why aren't they going into the education field?

Hispanics and Big City Decline

We allowed these people to march on our downtown--we had buses we paid for and drivers following them, on our dime--where is OUR BACK BONE?


We have lost residence to the "burbs".

We have lost respect.

We have lost our heritage from all our countries.

We have caved in.

They are proudly speaking Spanish--over other patrons.

Where is OUR PRIDE?

What happened to what our parents and grandparents built and left us our heritage?

[Ed Note: Wow! You raise alot of questions. Here are the answers. The First Amendment allows "them" to protest, and to hire the buses follow them (taxpayers didn't pay for the protests). Also, all of us have immigrant pasts and I have no problem with folks choosing to speak Spanish as long as it's their choice (we'll get to that in a minute).

Former Mexican citizens have long been involved in Texas (you'll notice several Spanish surnames in the list of those who died in the Alamo, for instance).

Now to Spanish and what is going on today in general.

My problem with the bilingual ed mess is that we don't seem to be giving the kids, or their parents, the choice of what language we brand them with. If the parents/kids decide they want nothing to do with this "learning English nonsense," and a life of day-labor or roofing houses is good enough--then so be it.

I just don't like our school system deciding this for them.

As to the illegal immigration issue: we (and they) need to observe the laws. "What the laws are" is certainly a subject for debate. We need to get it together, and so far, I'm not hearing answers I like from Congress.

Finally, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Spanish! I'm a native-born, second-generation Texan, and I learned it. My oldest son is learning Spanish now as well!

I'll also tell you that I haven't met a native Spanish speaker who doesn't want to learn English. It's just, they don't know where to turn.

Yes, we have problems.]